Wednesday, July 27, 2011

The massacre in Norway - and the day before

An alert overseas reader forwarded to us disturbing reports in the Norwegian press of an event that took place in the same camp only a day before the tragic mass-murder. The articles (translated in a somewhat imprecise but comprehensible English by Google) state that leaders of the AUF (Youth) faction of the ruling Labour party in Norway, were at the camp demanding and inciting that the government impose an anti-Israel boycott.

To the best of our knowledge this story has hardly been picked up by the mainstream or Jewish media.

That said, the Jewish people are "rachmanim bnei rachmanim" and offer our sincere condolences and sympathy to the victims of this cold-blooded massacre and their families.

Who, like us, knows of the horrendous capacity of Nazis and their collaborators to slaughter innocents - young and old - cruelly and pitilessly.

Who, like Am Yisrael has felt the pain of innocent children being murdered and wounded by callous, merciless killers and terrorists.

It is time for all ccounties - including the ever so liberal-minded Norway - to take the harshest possible steps against all forms of terror and to stop offering support and comfort to those are involved in such activities.

Photo: Eirik Helland Urke / Dagbladet

Norwegian to English - Google translation

Dialogue is no, Jonas

AUF leader Eskil Pedersen believes it is time for stronger measures against Israel.

ALEXANDER STENERUD alexander.stenerud @
20.07.2011,  6:56 p.m.

BOYCOTT: AUF leader Eskil Pedersen believes the time has come for more drastic measures against Israel, and wants the Foreign Minister to impose an economic boycott against the country.
This week is about a thousand members of Labour Youth (AUF) collected Utøya to discuss politics. On Thursday comes Jonas Gahr Store to Utøya to debate the Middle East.

The foreign minister believes in dialogue in the conflict between Israel and Palestine, but the leader of AUF Eskil Pedersen has a clear message to the Minister.

- We like to talk, but as we have seen so has Israel not been interested, and have not listened to any of the clashes that have been made. The peace process is the wrong way, and though the whole world screaming for Israel to comply, they do not. We in Labour Youth will have a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side, says Pedersen.


AUF leader says dialogue can no longer have anything to offer in the face of Israel, and believes it is high time that the new measures are adopted. Pedersen believes that the Israeli authorities have now moved so far right that it is impossible to have any conversations with them.

- Norway has little opportunity to influence in any way, and we are no closer to any peace in the conflict. Rather the contrary. Israel has moved very far to the right, which means that it will get the dialogue partners. I would dare say that even foreign politicians from the Progress Party will struggle to find conversation partners in Israel. There is no call web anymore. I mean is that we should talk to everyone, but we can not sacrifice our principles and our policies, just to talk, he said.


AUF has long been an international boycott of Israel, but the decision at the last congress, demanding that Norway imposes a unilateral economic embargo of the country, was sharper than before.

- I acknowledge that this is a drastic measure, but I think it gives a clear indication that we are tired of Israel's behavior. Large parts of the world react all the time, but Israel will not listen. I think the decision is a sign that we in the AUF is tired of Israel, quite simply, he says.

Jonas Gahr Store: - The occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now
21. July 2011, at. 5:42 p.m.   By: Eivind Funds

Foreign Minister met with claims that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp Thursday.

AUF WANT BOYCOTT: Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store was met by demands that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state when he visited the Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya Thursday. Here the Minister ushered around in the camp of the AUF leader Eskil Pedersen. (Reuters)

During the second day of Labour Youth League summer camp at Utøya got the Labour Party's young hopefuls visit by Foreign Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

Together with the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation correspondent Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People's Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen, discussed the Foreign Minister of the deadlock between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

As foreign minister arrived Utøya he was met with a demand from the AUF that Norway must recognize a Palestinian state.

- The Palestinians must have their own state, the occupation must end, the wall must be demolished and it must happen now, said the Foreign Minister to cheers from the audience.

AUF-leaders: - Jens must be tougher against "Anbusd-Erna"

- Norway is prepared to recognize

Earlier this week, when Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas visited Norway, the Minister said to TV 2 news channel that Norway stands ready to recognize a Palestinian state. This he repeated during the debate on Utøya.

MIDDLE EAST DEBATE: Foreign Minister participated in a debate on Utøya with NRK Sidsel Wold and Norwegian People's Aid Kirsten Belck-Olsen. (Reuters)

- We are ready to recognize a Palestinian state. I await the actual resolution text Palestinians will promote the UN General Assembly in September, said the Minister.

In autumn it is expected that Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas will bring the matter to the UN. Where will he ask for UN membership and recognition of a Palestinian state within the borders before the 1967 war, with East Jerusalem as its capital.

AUF would boycott

Wednesday said AUF leader Eskil Pedersen that the AUF want a unilateral economic embargo of Israel from the Norwegian side.

- Labour Youth will have a more activist Middle East policy and we have to recognize Palestine. NOK NOK's, now we have to get the peace process into a new track, said Pedersen.

The foreign minister admitted that the situation is untenable, but believes that the boycott is the wrong tool.

- Boycott will be to move from dialogue to monologue. It is difficult to open the door the day we will talk with Israel, said the Minister.


  1. The Age reports that the max sentence for that killer is 21 years!

    Does that say anything about the Norwegian govts value of lives?

  2. The Quislings of Norway

  3. and more

  4. Arutz Sheva:
    Anti-Zionists Try to Blame Mossad for Norway Terror
    It did not take long for anti-Zionists to try to pin the massacre in Norway on Israel.

    The theory began with a blog but now is on Al Jazeera

  5. Wow - talk about preaching to the converted. I can't believe that four comments in and nobody has had the sense to say what a ridiculous link you're drawing.

    What's your writing is hurtful and wholly unprovable. Save it for your midnight bunk bed chitchat.

  6. Who knows whether one of the young antisemitic "activists" this man killed would have grown up to be the next Hitler y"sh?

  7. For the first time in my life I am proud of the Jewish News today: see this link -

  8. Rabbinical Council of NSW Statement to AJN

    In recent days, internal, private, learned academic discussions on finer points of halacha were leaked to the press without authorisation. These do not necessarily reflect the position of the RCNSW.

    At a scheduled full meeting of the RCNSW held today at which Rabbi Yossi Feldman presided, the Rabbinical Council of Victoria's published statement relating to child abuse was unanimously adopted.

    At the same time, the RCNSW condemns unreservedly any leaking of correspondence reflecting private rabbinic deliberations prior to resolution, adoption and dissemination.

    Rabbi Chaim Ingram

    Honorary Secretary
    41, Llandaff Street,
    Bondi Junction,
    Mobile: 0423 831 845

  9. The Jewish News is a disgrace.
    Rabbi Y Feldman knows at least as much about the halocho as do the gaonim of the RCV (most, who in any case privately, agree with him).

    We are now into the 'bash for abuse victims' season and every two-bit scribbler with a keyboard is hopping on to the bandwagon.

    Blogs and websites that I thought were responsible are attacking or allowing disgusting comments about prominent people, rabbonim - alive and dead - at random.

    Some of the writers - supposedly observant Jews - are not ashamed to make the most disgusting allegations - and even put their names to it.

    What has become of us? And in the 3 weeks!

    And a message to the foolish rabbis who suck up to the AJN, es vet eich gornit helfen. When your time comes - the Jewish News is going to do the dirty on you - no less than it just did Feldman or previously Engel.

    Bni al telech itom.

  10. More on Norway


  11. xyz: how do you feel about the fact that until now pedophiles have been getting away with their abuse, and rabbis have assisted them, whilst ignoring the victims?
    I agree with your last paragraph, we should not be under the impression that the AJN has done a huge teshuvah here... it's all about selling newspapers.
    However as a previous victim of rabbinical silence, I applaud the exposure of this.
    Rabbi Ingram's email as printed somewhere above is not helpful at all. Obviously someone on the receiving end of the "private correspondence" thought it prudent to forward it on to the AJN. AS everything that happens is hashgacha pratis, then I can only assume it is the TIME for these things to be transparent to the public and people can make their own conclusions based on FACTS.

    Spare a thought for the victims over the past 20 odd years, instead of defending the rabbis who allowed it to continue. If it was YOUR child chas v'shalom you may think differently.

  12. Is Terrorism Against Israel Really More Justified Than Terrorism Against Norway?
    by Alan M. Dershowitz
    July 28, 2011

    In a recent interview, Norway's Ambassador to Israel has suggested that Hamas terrorism against Israel is more justified than the recent terrorist attack against Norway. His reasoning is that, "We Norwegians consider the occupation to be the cause of the terror against Israel." In other words terrorism against Israeli citizens is the fault of Israel. The terrorism against Norway, on the other hand, was based on "an ideology that said that Norway, particularly the Labor Party, is foregoing Norwegian culture." It is hard to imagine that he would make such a provocative statement without express approval from the Norwegian government.

  13. vesalachta lavonenu ki RAV huFriday, July 29, 2011 2:32:00 PM

    Message to Rabbi Yossi Feldman

    The last people you can expect to come to your assistance are you colleague rabbis.

    Just ask rabbi Engel in Adelaide

  14. Anonymous said... xyz: how do you feel about the fact that until now pedophiles have been getting away with their abuse, and rabbis have assisted them, whilst ignoring the victims?

    Very upset. I think abusers should be handed over to the police ASAP. But I am not totally convinced that the rabbis really did all that they have been charged with on the blogworld. Additionally, attacking dead people - especially when the opportunity to confront them was there for many years - is not a good look.

    You applaud 'exposure'. I am not sure I agree. By all means go to the authorities and try and get the abuser behind bars, but why add to the Chilul Hashem by feeding our good 'friends' the AJN and Age with stories that reflect badly upon all Jews. (Though I would go to the media in a case where the police didn't act.)

    You write "Spare a thought for the victims over the past 20 odd years, instead of defending the rabbis who allowed it to continue. If it was YOUR child chas v'shalom you may think differently."

    I have only sympathy for victims and can assure you that I have no truck with rabbis who defend or cover up abusers.

    But the other side to the abuser tragedy which may be concerning rabbis is: What about the innocent family members of the abuser? Can anyone imagine their shame or pain?

    If chas veshalom YOUR father or grandfather was suddenly exposed as a pedophile.

    His family members too will find their lives destroyed, admittedly in a different way to the victims.

    I don't envy anyone having to make decisions re pedophiles and worse still 'suspect' pedophiles.


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